Illuminati -- myths?
My take.
I think the Cathy O'Brien & Brice Taylor story is a "cartoonish"
adventure story about a very serious issue of the CIA and MK Ultra/Monarch, human
experimentation by the United States government/secret
government/National Security State. I could be wrong, I don't mean to
mock any abuse done to Ms. O'Brien if that was real. Some of
these CIA people are working on "security", some have ties to Nazis,
and some believe or
apparently truly believe that the destiny for America should be a
fascist military state, not a liberal democracy where everyone has
rights. MK Ultra experiments in mind control -- sheesh,
there's been government hearings and partial exposés on the
History Channel -- were designed as a counter-insurgency,
counter-revolutionary, control freak military tool, to manage societies.
It's a simple historical fact that the CIA was formed out of OSS and
Nazi SS, and the Nazi State was supported (and directed?) in large
measure from Wall Street. Wall Street investors and industrialists in
the Fortune 500 or Fortune 100 (in general, may
be individual exceptions) have long wanted to operate in
an atmosphere of monopoly of wealth and power, control freaks who
wanted power over national decisions and the world, and eliminating
"inefficient" competition.
Naturally, people who hold wealth and power TEND to (not all!!) want to
maintain a world run by
wealth and power, whereas people who are not wealthy and powerful want
to see a world run by more democratic means, like voting that counts and other forms
of public input, which are levelling influences, which do not depend on
financial success or robber-barony.
For those who believe in American liberal and democratic principles, in a republic of laws,
it's considered cheating when the wealthy buy
their way into the system, by buying politicians and positions, by
trading favors to achieve public office (like Cabinet positions
occupied by CFR members), since we have accepted this MYTH (fact) that
all men were created EQUAL, and we
want our government to live up to these principles. (Redundant
to say it, but the Constitution meant to support these principles to an extent, and sought to
eliminate or mitigate the powers of hereditary aristocracy, but also
intended to maintain an alternate hierarchy of wealth and inheritance
only partially parallel to the older hierarchies based on blood and
family ties.)
In other words, ultra rich people CAN, in theory, lose their wealth ...
and many have. And poor people CAN, in theory, become very rich. John
D. Rockefeller did, but with good connections to others with links to
the government. But since the American aristocracy of wealth has
crystallized, there has been an effort to close the channels by which
many of the poor can become rich or middle class, esp if it means
reducing the power and wealth of the super rich.
Look at what happened in the 60's and 70's when "insolent" middle class
youth with college educations on the GI Bill decided they were smarter
than the authorities, and could decide for themselves whether the war
in Vietnam was right or wrong, and could decide for themselves whether
it was justified for America to be murdering millions of Vietnamese and
others, simply because THEY democratically decided to have their own
government with a controlled economy and to share prosperity by law.
There were marches, riots, speeches, and general rebellion, (including
by "Negroes") countered by COINTELPRO, an attack by the FBI and CIA on
civil society. They are SERIOUS control freaks, and paranoid about
losing control.
Alex Carey wrote a book on conservatism called Democracy without Risk
(i think) links here to audio and book:
http://www.takeoverworld.info/media.html
My problem with Illuminati theories
-- besides the fact that normal people roll their eyes -- is there's no
antidote for that eye-rolling or the fact that whereas the Tri-Lateral
Commission, the CFR, the Heritage Foundation, and the CIA have names,
street addresses, phone numbers, fax numbers, websites, publications
and email --- on the other hand, the "Illuminati" has none of those.
The 'proof' that the Illuminati exists is a chain of connections
allegedly going back to shadowy history, Adam Weishaupt, and his
history of
a) his rebellion against the Church and the Vatican
b) his creation of an alternate society kept secret from the police state of the Church and the
Vatican
c) the Church and the Vatican labelling him evil
d) Weishaupt's alleged escape to Moscow
e) a supposed direct link from Weishaupt to Karl Marx and Lenin
f) Weishaupt's ideas about covert attempts at running the world, or was
that to have an alternate democratic system run the world? Alternate
from the Church and the Vatican?
and a bunch of other stuff by crackpot Fritz Springmeier and some of
his theories around prophesy.
What I'm apologizing for here is this: OF COURSE that was a SECRET
SOCIETY!! You could not expect Weishaupt to have had OPEN rebellion
against the Church and the Vatican. Look what they tried to do to
Gallileo and others. Look at the Inquisition. OPEN rebellion would be
suicide, so naturally they had underground cells. From what little I
have gleaned, these underground cells engaged in philosophizing and
writing, as well as expanding links to others and other powerful
people, a run-around behind the backs of the Church and the Vatican.
NOW, I guess it's true that Weishaupt also tried to write an alternate
religion too. So friggin what! The mock Church of Subgenious did too,
with their idol "Bob" who is a computer clipart representing "Man". I
think the evilness of the original Illuminati is way overstated, BY the
powers that be, BY the Church and the Vatican.
Compare alleged evil that to Skull and Bones, below. Skull and Bones is
tied to the power of consolidated capitalism and wealth. The philosophy
of Weishaupt included levelling their wealth, something the Church also
labelled "evil". Well of course, if you've got all the wealth and power
and positions locked up, then you call names at anyone who tries to
challenge you, and you try to destroy them, and since it was a
religious and superstitious era, and the Church was threatened,
naturally the SLUR they used was "evil". As in "Axis of Evil". In
short, I think the most "evil" aspect of the old Illuminati is that
they were a force for democracy and self-rule. (All fascists incl
Nazis considered self-rule to be destructive to society, actually
destructive to the human race, and considered the only sensible path to
be rule by powerful bullies. They had a deep contempt for liberal
democracy.)
I have not seen a verifiable connection between the Russell Trust,
Yale, Skull and Bones, and Weishaupt's group.
So maybe it does exist, but it's sketchy. These other
groups are not sketchy.
In addition, the Church and the Vatican also demonized the Masons and
Knights Templar, as they were an alternate source of spirituality and
community, outside of reach of the Church and the Vatican. Power
struggle.
I'm not so sure I'd appreciate a world run by the Church and the
Vatican.
The history of the Masons includes the Declaration of Independence and
the Constitution, however limited those are. The Monarch/MK Ultra video
I mentioned on YouTube discusses the Masons (and their ostensibly weird
rituals) in Chapter 5, but mentions the caveat that they may have been
infiltrated from within as a closed society by other powerful forces.
A young friend of mine was in DeMolay, and the story of Jacques DeMolay
is how he was tortured by the Vatican to reveal the names of his Mason
cohorts, but he did not break. The Masonry my friend was taught was an
advanced expression of morality and Judeo-Christian ethic (actually, any monotheistic religion accepted,
which would also piss off the more exclusive Church). He said the only
weird ritual he saw at a upper levels was an oath to loyalty to the
brotherhood, a bonding ritual, I think involving blood, but nothing
truly Satanic or evil (except to more extreme views on that). Nothing
more extreme than many secrecy agreements people sign to go work for
the government or some corporations. But the MAIN focus was to go out
into the world and DO GOOD, to LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, and other
good Biblical teaching of which hardly anyone disagrees.
Compare that to the Masons' apparent successor, Skull and Bones.
Compare America under the Masons to America under Skull and Bones.
Masons openly accepts members of good character from the general
society. Skull and Bones is a more secretive society than Masons, far
more exclusive, and designed to give an upper hand to wealthy Yalies
who want to run the world, and who appoint each other to positions of
power, and whose motto seems to be "Everything for us, fuck everyone
else."
THat was my friends' argument about and defense of the Masons, and at
this point I think it's valid.
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