HATING THE SOLDIERS: a CIA mass psyop
+ CIA -
Murder, Inc audio
excerpt from my letter to a CONSERVATIVE: (see John
Kerry note and Jane
Fonda note below, and check out Gloria Steinem,
I've heard Viet Vets tell me they knew of no instances like
the ones you describe (pissing on a
coffin, spitting on the
troops.) I doubt there were widespread instances (doubtless some
occurred somewhere, it's a big country) and I'll tell you
why. Yet I'm considering your story
and viewpoint that this did occur. Did it depend on what
I do know that for one example, Alan Canfora www.alancanfora.com went
from being mostly non-political to an activist and a Kent State
casualty (wounded by a firing squad) for the very same reasons you describe for supporting the
Vietnam War: friends
coming home in body bags.
The difference is Canfora (and others like him) blamed our POLITICIANS
-- including the politicians in the Pentagon and top officers seeking
promotions -- NOT
the soldiers --- which
obviously included his living and dead friends, including his dead
best friend from childhood, for whom he was motivated in
the first place to
take a stand --- and of course he did NOT blame the Vietnamese
were, after all, never trespassing inside America, nor affecting
America one whit.
Recognize also that this "progressive" idea of "shaping the whole
world" and "spreading democracy by force" was Wilsonian and was once
criticized as communist by what used to be known as
Conservatives. I've sent
essays by Joseph Stromberg on Woodrow Wilson.
about Zarqawi, and hear from the troops, suppressed
from mainstream media, and how --- just like during Vietnam --- they're
trying to make the antiwar right and the antiwar left HATE
the ruthless soldiers. Divide and conquer.
Given the known
intensive work of COINTELPRO ---
- planting rumors of a
white actress impregnated by a black militant due to her political
- planting rumors of
rivalry within the Black Panthers to spread dischord and
- planting rumors within
the peace movement,
"snitch-jackets" making someone appear as tho they were working for The
- infiltrating the BPP
(which after all started out as a Constitutional Protection 2nd
Amendment group like a lot of white Patriot groups) with FBI
personnel (even as their membership coordinator),
- infiltrating "public,
grassroots" Communist party offices (so that the only dues paying
members were FBI, and their treasurer was FBI),
- NOT infiltrating the real communists at
the Tri-Lateral Commission or the Stalinist Spy who founded the World
- also infiltrating
the grassroots peace movement with FBI agents posing as radicals
encouraging violent actions (unlike today where the nuetered
national peace movement does not need to be infiltrated because it is manufactured by the
CIA-corporates as a demographic market
to be managed, and there is no large independent grassroots
peace movement to speak of),
... I therefore find it not
only plausible but LIKELY that
many of the stories of
disrespectful protesters were
manufactured or hyped in the
following years, but also that provocateurs
hired to stage some events and that the antiwar New Left
internally and used
as "useful idiots" to destroy the peace movment ---
the goal of Nixon --- by damaging it's public credibility.
Fetched? Check the video below. It's on-the-scene coverage (and analysis) about
how Fed authorities engineered RIOTS, MAYHEM,
VIOLENCE, and PROPERTY DAMAGE in Seattle in 1999, in order to
legit political demonstation by normal people --- which was opposition
to the same Globalization that Jerome Corsi
of Swift Boats is finally coming out against now. www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/AJ-Police_State_Provocateurs-012505mdm.wmv
(I've written about Nixon's escalation and we know about his efforts to
neutralize the grassroots opposition, but I've not forgotten that
Johnson first escalated this, or that JFK escalated it and made clear
to withdraw [iv'e confirmed recently these withdrawal plans were real,
not smoke] and that helping the French and taking over Vietnam from
France went back to Eisenhower and maybe Truman --- but the big
deal about aggressive anti-communism came from Allen
Dulles of the CIA and his band of Nazi SS compatriots over
The Dulles brothers WERE Nazis in suits, and
were philosophically in favor of Hitler winning, because Hitler was a
working for their people. I have a fascinating clip naming names
including SS ties in New York .. www.Takeoverworld.info/mp3/emory/Dave_Emory__John_Buchanan__Bush-Nazi-past.mp3 )
how much I'm seeing of the wars between
Communism --- both the Totalitarian kind and non-Totalitarian
socialism, should it ever come into existence --- versus Totalitarian
Fascism --- I THOUGHT that the whole point of America was a
middle ground, a govt responsible to serve the needs of the
public and the principles
of Liberty without discarding the right to make a profit (which people
will tend to do anyhow, unless everyone became a saint)
(and would require intensive surveillance to prevent -- like the War on
I'm trying to understand how it is that
intelligent people come to equate the mass
invasion of a foreign
country like Vietnam and the killing
of it's citizens with anything
like "defending America" or "repaying America", as you
mentioned. I think I
answered my own question, above.
Therefore, I think it's counterproductive to dialogue to label EVERY
left-leaning political concern (that isn't a trojan
horse of the
Establishment Corporate Left) as "communist" just as it
would be foolish to
label every pro-business concern as "fascist".
Having said that, the Bush admin comes from a long line of Fascists and
the entire govt has been morphing into the worst of BOTH worlds,
totalitarian fascism and the merging of govt power (of the gun) with
corporate power (instead
of respect for the entire Constitution) plus
the creation of a totalitarian communist oligarchy with all it's
paranoia and suspcion, AND the intentional creation of a dependent
population via state-controlled "education".
I DO appreciate your friends sentiment and love of country, and I'd
hope the same type of people
would defend ME and defend my America (and I hope I could get up off my
butt to join them in the case of fighting a real enemy, even at 45), but I think that allowing oneself to be duped by
POLITICIANS into serving in illegal, unethical, and immoral wars so
that resource extraction executives (Eisenhower said
"rubber and tin we
so greatly desire"), arms manufacturers, and ulimately finance
capitalists behind it all can get extremely wealthy, is no greater
service to America than performing fellatio on the same avaricious
politicians ... and that propagandizing such
wars to secure political power is one of the oldest tricks
in the book for the power-hungry, right next to the oldest profession
-- prostitution -- and the other old political
tool, organized religion.
FORMER COMMUNISTS you cited as offensive: this includes Michael Savage (who also wrote
homosexual literature and notes
to his friends
about gay trysts) and
includes many of the Neo-Cons now in
charge of the world. (I'm not against
gays, I'm against insane right wing fanatics pretending they aren't
I think the difference is, the "street communists" tended to be
for maximum freedom, including economic freedom, not
totalitarian Stalinism, while the "Neo-Con communists" and
"Tri-Lateral communists" who strongly favored Joe Stalin are clearly in
favor of authoritative rule by themselves,
in the most Machiavellian sense.
As I said, I also know that the Winter Soldier commission included
testimony BY the troops, not by
John Kerry. The men who threw their medals over the wall
talked about storming the White House were the soldiers.
In the documentary "Sir, No Sir", I
saw a crowd looking like a mini-Woodstock of soldiers cheering
Jane Fonda, who was on stage doing comedy and music with other singers and
soldiers. I think the documentary said she even helped
stage popular USO-style events overseas in Asia, for soldiers who
were sick of
matter of fact -- I just had a brainstorm -- it might even be
(and in retrospect seems more plausible) that John
Kerry's Antiwar Protester Image was
CREATED and USED by one
faction in power in Washington (which would be
represented by the Tri-Lateral Commission today) as a political
relief valve for the troops and hippies, so they would let him
carry their message to Congress in a "civilized" fashion and stage a
big drama to affect neutered political change. It's
always been a tactic of politicians to turn revolutionary fervor
towards structured and controlled political processes.
I imagine that despite
his public denials of being influenced by demonstrators, Nixon did look out his window at of
50,000 angry men who were trained
to kill by the US Army, possibly
attempting to storm the
White House and arrest
the real traitors, and possibly wreck the entire elite domination
structure. If Nixon didn't care, surely the CIA cared. Bob Woodward - The CIA's Very Own
Kerry and Bush were in the same league since youth. Yale-based
Skull and Bones is where the elites go to pick top CIA operatives and
establishment personnel. It would make more sense that he
was an infiltrator than a genuine antiwar person
hanging out with grunts who were too poor-born to get out of the war.
considering that John Kerry ---- Yalie, Eastern
member of Skull
and Bones (where
they go to pick CIA and other leaders) along with George W. Bush (and
his father and friends)
---- was more
likely working for Intelligence when he ran interference in
movement and channeled the soldiers' rage into a dramatic performance
in Congress (would they have let
Kerry in otherwise?), rather than being a man who genuinely
up with radical anti-establishment
Fonda, establishment actress: Was
it Jane's assigned task to infiltrate
the antiwar movement, take a highly visible position, then betray it by
going down in flames on a Vietcong anti-aircraft gun??
was Ms. Jane Fonda just
'dumb' about how "image" and "props" and "photo ops" works?
You tell me.
Refer to George Galloway and Jimmy Walker here for an example:
July 26, 2006
Flipping through an old issue of The Week
(May 19, 2006), I found an interesting story. It appears that the
family of Jared Guinther, an 18-year-old from Oregon, was trying to get
him released from the army, which recruited him in spite of the fact that he is
autistic. Guinther, who rarely
even aware of the war in Iraq until a recruiter enlisted him
last fall to be a calvary scout, the Army's most dangerous job".
Guinther's mother tried to intervene, but the recruiter told her that
he himself was dyslexic and that Jared "doesn't
need mommy to make his decisions for him".
Ultimately, the Army did release Jared from his
contract, but this raises a host of questions about agency, autism, and
recruitment practices. Jared's parents believed he could not
understand the consequences of making such a
decision, and who knows better than the people who raised you?
Gloria Steinem in Ms. office., 1983:
"I've sued twice to hide my CIA ties!"
as well, Gloria Steinem ADMITTED she was CIA. Look it
up. Before becoming a public icon,
spying on student
activism in Europe in the late 1960's, for the CIA. She was
not smeared by right wingers. She was in bed with right wingers
(literally). She was exposed by a number of people but primarily
feminist-rights group called RedStockings.
and her CIA handlers, have threatened lawsuits to suppress this
When she returned to America, some people ... let's
call them "Uncle
CIA" ... CIA-Clay Felker
and others helped Steinem in ways like fronting her money to start Ms.
Magazine, getting her PR spots in other major
"Oh, just to be helpful to her, blah
blah", free-thinking individuals in the CIA were promoting Leftist
causes at the time
... some "nothing" answer ... while making
statements about the "fact" that the
CIA is a liberal and far-sighted organization.
Actually LYING, because CIA was
sponsoring "lite-left" media and events to counter Marxist interests,
but was also not above using provacteurs like Steinem to "cause
trouble", to stage riots at
festivals, to break up socialist youth conferences, particularly the 1962 Helsinki conference and the 1959 conference in Vienna.
Steinem also dated a lawyer for 9 years named Pottinger who was a civil
rights attorney for the Nixon
not only trampled civil rights, but conspired to frame "radical
leftists" for terrorist acts), Pottinger was later linked to CIA
arms smuggling and the Iran-Contra
[magazine's] first publisher, Elizabeth Forsling Harris, played some
key roles in setting up the assassination of President Kennedy.
Katherine Graham, of the CIA-infested WaPo, was a principle shareholder
Now one of
the things that's intriguing about Steinem's association with Pottinger
concerns the fact that Pottinger was not only possibly involved in an
arms smuggling scheme to Iran. What is very intriguing is the fact that
J. Stanley Pottinger was involved, while working for the Nixon/Ford
Justice Department, not only in helping to block the investigation into
of Martin Luther
King, but also in operating in connection with former Director
of Central Intelligence and current Vice-President of the United States
[1981-89] George Bush in
covering up the assassination
Orlando Letelier, a dissident Chilean diplomat who was blown up
(as many of you, I'm sure, here know) in
the middle of Washington, DC.
Although U.S. intelligence has disclaimed any involvement in that, that
claim has been destroyed by a number of different books. ... So
what we have is, Turpel and Wilson, [Skull and Bones'er] George Bush,
and J. Stanley Pottinger, as well as James Buckley (and later, [Skull
and Bones'er] William F. Buckley),
working not only to assassinate Orlando Letelier, but to cover it up
and deflect blame for the crime in the direction of the Chilean left.
That and more was part of Steinem's
a grassroots movement of
women struggling for liberty,
justice, recognition, and an end to being treated as 2nd caste
citizens, the Establishment
Women's Lib Movement was utilized as a Trojan Horse to help
chaos and splits within the more dangerous antiwar and black liberation
movements, by attacking the male hierarchichal structure of such
still embodied some older cultural norms, as the movments were newly
emerging out of 1950s attitudes) in a destructive fashion.
Redstockings said that her ideology was also poison to the genuine Women's Movement.
IT SHOULD BE CLEAR FROM MY OTHER REMARKS, THE
REASON I'M FOCUSING TO HEAVILY ON STEINEM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
CONTEMPT FOR REAL FEMINISM, and EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MY CONTEMPT FOR
NATIONAL SECURITY ESTABLISHMENT (CIA) SOCIAL-CONTROL TROJAN HORSE
OPERATIONS DESIGNED TO UNDERMINE FREEDOM, and SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WHEN
THE DECADES-LONG DOYENNE OF FEMINISM TURNS
OUT TO BE A CIA OPERATIVE, WHO ELSE and HOW ELSE?.
something to think about while championing the latest "hero of
with her matchless zing and clarity, nearly brought down the house when
she speculated on why the military doesn't want women in combat. "Can
you imagine what would happen if every welfare mother, every underpaid
waitress, every sexually harassed secretary, had two years of military
training?" she asked.
I would ask in connection with that, Can you imagine what would
happen if the most visible and (at least so far) effective feminist
spokesperson in the United States, namely Gloria Steinem (regarded by
many as the doyen of American feminism), can you imagine what would
happen if she had a background in the Central Intelligence Agency?
you don't have to imagine what would happen. Because, in fact, Gloria
Steinem has an extensive
background in the intelligence agencies -- namely, the CIA -- and a
number of the people in her mileau have very obvious intersections with
the National Security establishment, going up to the present time.
And don't forget, Operation
Mockingbird (by any other name)
was confirmed by Congressional investigation. The CIA did
infiltrate major US media (and Europe, and
Latin American elections) by putting gatekeepers and
propagandists in key, lynchpin positions in major media like the WaPo,
NYT, etc. as well as major TV stations.
Some major media heads (corporate america) were extremely cozy with CIA
... like Henry Luce of Time, and Ben Bradlee of WaPo, as well as Dan
Rather (who got to view the Zapruder film while the govt kept it
confiscated) and Peter Jennings (who I watched LIE OUTRIGHT to the
camera by displaying a cleverly edited JFK clip while "debunking"
conspiracy theories in a documentary called JFKii).
In England, the CIA put out a major publication of "Leftist thought"
called Encounter. In Australia, CIA and the Nazi-backed Congress
for Cultural Freedom and CIA helped start Quadrant.
All this was meant to neutralize genuine (non-totalitarian) socialist
thought and movements.
CIA also helped conduct a 40-year
postwar campaign of terror
bombings of public venues to blame
the Red Brigades in Italy
and Spain. This was eventually named Operation
fear was that after the defeat of Hitler, some leftist political group
might win an
Don't forget that Mr. "Fairplay for Cuba" Oswald, Russian spy who denounced
the USA, actually received (and repaid)
a LOAN from the US Embassy for he and his bride to return to Louisiana,
where he grew up near CIA operative and infamous drug courier Barry Seal and got
flying lessons at a 'special' Civil Air Patrol base (CAP) from OSS
operative David Ferrie (photo record of that).
Beware of the CIA-Left.